while friday interviews are always a treat, today’s “in the pants” is even MORE deluxe than usual.
how, you may ask, is that possible?!
well, because i like to answer questions i have inferred from the audience, i’ll tell you!
for today’s interview, i’ve enlisted the intrepid reporting skills of one of my favorite rice folks, olivia, aka miss world traveler pants, in order to introduce you to another favorite owl of mine, stephen benham.
i know, i know, it’s gonna be great!!!!
but before i hand the reins over to the highly capable and lovely olivia, i want to give you a (brief) rundown of my friendship with steve.

this picture, taken at winston’s wedding, totally explains the charm of our friendship: me being hokey, steve putting up with me while pretending that he doesn’t have the biggest heart in the universe.
it’s obvious that steve and i were meant to be friends, simply because destiny threw us into the same freshman orientation group (along with a certain mr. joshua katz). my first impression of steve was that he was huge, and he sweated more than anyone i’d ever met in my life (sorry, steve, but you know it’s true). i chalked the latter up to the fact that his body was used to the minnesota winters and not, unfortunately for his shirt, acclimated to the scorching texas summer.
steve was, and still is, an extremely intelligent guy with a rare, charming mix of dry wit and the inclination towards ridiculously boisterous carousing. he’s the kind of person you can talk to about *anything*– the politics of south america, german culture, how his pursuit of girls compares to the patterns of desert animals. during our freshman year, steve would come to my room and listen to my conversations with amber, then psychoanalyze us both. i also had the unique pleasure of getting to know him via ballroom dance, which we both took for a PE credit. the key to a good dancing partner, in my opinion, isn’t about the swiftness of their feet but rather, the grace of their conversation. in other words, i loved dancing with steve.
there’s a lot more i could say, but it’s time for olivia’s entrance. and so, i will leave you with a link to steve’s blog, where you can learn even more about why i love this fantastic specimen of a human being and miss him terribly (he lives in germany, fyi).
take it away, olivia!
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Twas the early days of blogging. I met Steve online, indirectly through Sarah. Namely, Sarah urged me repeatedly to blog, basically every week in our half-price-cake meetups, and I finally acquiesced in summer 2003. And then I was suddenly party to this whole group of amazing people and writers. Steve and I started emailing about Romania, and I immediately enjoyed our exchanges. How could I not, when he had such sympathetic and well-written answers and responses to my post-graduation funk, when I was wondering how Rice had let me out with such a limited amount of knowledge? He wrote: “At that point however, there was just this terrible disappointing nostalgia, knowing that it was over and wondering what the hell it was all about.” And so our friendship was born. We emailed all summer, but really started to talk a bit more when I started my research/fellowship in Central Asia. I would be at some random journalist organization in Kazakhstan, etc., and he would be an insomniac in New York. It worked out well. We’ve had some pretty intense and amazing conversations, ranging from life abroad to love to politics (those conversations can end up in arguments) to family, and I’ve always really valued this. Steve is one of the most amazing friends I’ve ever had, mixing openness and compassion and hilarity and intelligence flawlessly. Winston sings his praises as well in his interview.
Since then we’ve talked across numerous time zones on the internet, once or twice on the phone, and even in real life, and Steve’s become one of my best friends, although we didn’t actually meet until I moved to DC in the fall of 2005. We hung out lots in DC, but haven’t seen each other since I moved away, although we are planning to meet up soon. Anyway, on to the questions. To best simulate our usual talking style, Sarah’s allowed/encouraged us to hold this interview by chat. Steve’s joining from Germany.

[now we're live]
Steve: Hi Olivia. This would be more exciting if you were in the United States.
Olivia: Why is that?
Steve: Well we are only one hour apart, same continent technically, only a two hour flight. Besides, we used to do this stuff via a NYC/Kyrgyzstan connection. It feels a bit cheap don’t you think?
Olivia: Yes definitely. I think it is best if it’s at least 5 hours. But at least you are staying up appropriately late.
Steve: True, but given the obvious massive time differences and the trans-Atlantic logistics involved, Sarah had to turn to her champion interviewer and brought you aboard.
Olivia: It’s almost the middle of the night, just like old times.
Steve: Old times, yes, we spent many nights together didn’t we … virtual nights I mean, and not of virtual nights one might have with some women in Eastern Europe. Though speaking of Eastern Europe, Sarah did introduce me to you because I was living in Romania and you were in the US, but I guess it wasn’t until we switched hemispheres until we really started talking.
Olivia: Which brings me to my first question: Steve, I’m really happy you never sleep because it means I can talk to you. But really: why don’t you ever sleep?
Steve: Well, I do sleep, as demonstrated this morning when I overslept. The police arrested some crazy screaming man outside my balcony at six am which woke me up, so after a quick shower I decided to get a bit more of the sweet shut-eye. Next thing you know, its 10:34 and the blackberry is full of messages.
Olivia: Back in the day though, you were always online when I was up and even now I see you manning the google or AIM chat at strange hours for Germany.
Steve: True. I guess I don’t sleep when most people do, which became abundantly clear to me when I was assigned to live with a certain other interviewee of this blog my freshman year who was most definitely a diurnal type. Then I finally admitted my inability to conform to conventional circadian rhythms.
Olivia: Ooh, alliteration.
Steve: Exactly. In high school I tried to get a job at this Mobil station to work the third shift. Unfortunately the Medina Mobil wasn’t having me. Nor was the Subway sandwich shop right next door for that matter. But I did end up working nights at a warehouse for three summers and during Christmas before and during college. Excellent job.
Olivia: So is that what makes you a good lawyer?
Steve: The warehouse? No. Really, the Mobil station was just because it seemed cool and well the Subway, I think I screwed up the easy math answers on the back of the application. Couldn’t figure out the change for a twenty when the hypothetical customer ordered a six-inch cold cut with double meat. Maybe that’s a good thing, otherwise I could be a sandwich artist today.
Olivia: The not sleeping.
Steve: Ah, it makes me a lawyer who can work when others are asleep. Sometimes that is all you need. (low bar)
Olivia: Okay, but can you tell us a bit about your job? (I know you, like most of us, can’t talk much about work on the internets, but some little morsels of info are fine…)
Steve: I work in Frankfurt at a law firm. Law firms are their own bizarre subculture with blogs and rumors and knowing glances among those of us that went to law school. In a nutshell, I am a corporate lawyer, specializing in things like capital markets, finance and some m&a. In other words … the kind that can’t help my family members.
Olivia: But it’s interesting, right?
Steve: Interesting enough. I mean, I find it bores most people who aren’t lawyers and really people that aren’t corporate lawyers or otherwise involved in some sort of finance banking role. It bores me at times, but I have learned a ton and I am challenged on almost a daily basis, occasionally far beyond where my comfort zone lies.
Olivia: Okay, enough of that (jk): So how did you end up in Germany?
Steve: A complicated question that I have to answer all the time over here. This time, well, our German practice was desperate for people, I spoke the language and it came at the perfect instant where nothing was necessarily keeping me in DC at the time. I mean, I didn’t even do the kind of law that I do now.

steve and friends in copenhagen, october 2004.
Olivia: But you speak the language and have spent a lot of time there. What made you do that?
Steve: Really serendipity I guess. I picked it in seventh grade under the impression that I had some meager German ancestry like pretty much every white person in the US. In hindsight I should have picked Spanish, much more useful than German and my Januarys could be in Buenos Aires or Barcelona, slightly more awesome than Frankfurt. But seventh grade turned into eighth, into high school, then at Rice I had some time and I was like, well, might as well perfect this one than jump ship, which in the end was a good decision.
Olivia: And how did you end up deciding to go?
Steve: Well, I wanted to study abroad and thought anywhere that spoke English was a cop out. I wanted a big city and next thing you know I found myself in Berlin in ’99 where I could barely utter a word of German after I hit the ground. But a year later I had realized it was the best year of my life and kept going back.
Olivia: Berlin is a cool city, I hear.
Steve: Yes, and well it was 1999 and it was back before it was the coolest city ever, which by proxy makes me hip … oh wait, I’m a corporate lawyer. No, it is unbelievable. I still tell everyone to go, to see as much as they can, and soak it all in.

steve and fellow wiessman, hilary, in berlin, 1999.
Olivia: Why was it the best year of your life?
Steve: Well, 20 years old is often one of the best years of your life. And 24 was a pretty great year as was 17. So there are a lot of great years.
Olivia: But now you’re, what? 29?
Steve: Exactly and in Frankfurt, not exactly Berlin in 1999, but it has its charms. It gets maligned by some, and well, it is a city designed for bankers, lawyers and accountants. It is possibly the most convenient city in Germany, and well, also very easy to leave if you need to. Like to Manchester!
Olivia: Ha. Okay. So I know your family is important to you. Tell me about that. You’ve got a mom and dad and 2 brothers. Tell me something funny or inspiring about them.
Steve: My brothers are 28 and 27, and we are a year and 3 days and a year and 27 days apart. So there is very little time that I can imagine not having them around. We fought a lot, but we were three boys who all wrestled, so such things were expected, but you know, we always used to team up to be a fighting force in the neighborhood if any one of us was threatened. Very inspiring.

the benham men, looking totes adorable.
Olivia: And something funny?
Steve: funny … well, there is my dad. And well, I love the guy, but as old men are wont to do, he is slowly turning into crazy old man.
Olivia: Yes! I love this part. Tell us more.
Steve: Well, my dad has retired and he is wired into the markets and the internet, watching CNBC, bloomberg and the like. And well, he talks about the collapse of the capital markets as we know it, downfall of western civilization, all while shooting off on average, two to three angry emails a day, be it to the White House, senators, federal agencies, tv stations. He used to cc me on them, but after I asked not to be put on his watch list, he just sends them to me after the fact.
Olivia: Do you have any examples of his work, or is that too personal?
Steve: Ah, well from a pure literary perspective, my favorite quote was an early one he wrote to Mitch McConnell.
“Today’s vote is one of those rare occurrences where patriotic principle dovetails with political common sense. It’s really a no-brainer! I implore you not to vote with the craven, anti-patriotic, greed-driven forces and the lamest of lame duck Presidents. If you do not heed my humble advice, I predict you will live to regret it. Even if you can swim, I believe you will go down along with the hopelessly sinking ship known as the Bush Presidency.”
Olivia: Truly dramatic.
Steve: They are getting a little more absurdist lately, and I think he has inspired his brother to do the same. But he enjoys it, and I tell him to back away from the computer once in a while, so what can you do. Sometimes I’m afraid I am heading there, you know, to crazy old man land.
Olivia: Isn’t that what we all hope for?
Steve: Ha, not completely sure, but you know, he is a pretty awesome dad, and frankly will do anything for us, including driving to North Carolina at the drop of a hat to pick up my marine brother if he gets even 72 hours of leave and then drive him back at the end which is incredible when you think about it.
Olivia: But it’s because he loves you, and that time is important to him. And your mom? I know you really look up to her.
Steve: I look down on them all as the tallest on all sides of the family, but she is pretty great too and as non-judgmental in comparison to my old man. I feel bad she had to raise three boys and really a fourth when you count my dad. By the way, interviews are strange beasts, you catch someone at the right moment, you never know what will come out.

look how tiny steve’s mom is!!!!
Olivia: Yeah, but that’s good
Steve: True, but not often fair. But I guess I’m not cutting off anyone’s nuts here.
Olivia: Ah, yes, an Obama fan. So, you travel more than I do, and I think you’ve got more countries than I have. Right?
Steve: Ha, doubtful. A certain person, who we will call Jen Bohnson, and I have a contest about our passport stamps and we try to get more “exotic” or “exciting” countries. We talk a lot of trash and have kind of decided the first person to Antartica wins. But the sad thing is Jen’s mom reads your blog and thinks that you have us both beat. It is humbling to try to compare travel stories with you.
Olivia: Ha, but I think it’s not true.

jen and steve on one of their many exotic, totally international adventures.
Steve: no, you have been to um … war zones. I’ve been to … Scandinavia! Exotic!
Olivia: Europe’s got a lot of small countries, though, and I haven’t been to, like, Paris.
Steve: Eh you can get Paris when you are old. Same with Stockholm.
Olivia: What’s your favorite city?
Steve: Other than Berlin, probably Cape Town [ed. note: check out Steve's blog about it]. Just heartbreaking beauty and terrible contrast combined with a wonderful people and great food. Oh, and the beach and incredible vistas and nature right near by. I want to go back, but I fear for South Africa these days. We will see what happens by 2010, but you had to be careful. The violence and how pervasive it was in South Africa was truly stunning. I just hope they can pull off the world cup. The truth is, FIFA is already out lining up alternates, which everyone always does, but rarely as publicly.
Olivia: So. Introduce us to Esteban. Can you explain to me – and more importantly the readers – who Esteban is? You knew this question was coming.
Steve: Ah, Esteban. Esteban was conceived back in the summer of 2003 when I lived in Bucharest [ed note: you can read more about the conception of esteban here]. One of my friends there thought my idea of a blog was mildly ridiculous, along with the picture that I posted on it. It was, I won’t deny that, but that was the conception, because well, a blog is exactly what Esteban would do.
Olivia: What else would Esteban do?
Steve: Well, Esteban is a combination of characteristics and attitudes of Americans who are abroad. My friend Jeremy and I discussed at length a this theoretical person, finding several characteristics, usually he is one of those American study-abroad types, who likely went to a smaller liberal arts college, he probably plays soccer or perhaps lacrosse and the guitar, fancies himself an intellectual and is almost always morally superior, can’t help but to constantly criticize the United States when abroad, could very well have a goatee, the type that travels all the time and is very much in danger of become the guy who is in the youth hostel when he probably shouldn’t be anymore, but also doesn’t want to get a real job to be able to pay for anything more upscale. Esteban dates women from other countries and often feels that he is getting a more authentic experience because of it, generally grew up in a very upper middle class to upper class home (think Westchester, Massapequa, Glen Ridge in NYC, McLain or much of Montgomery County in DC), believes he alone is blessed with a special insight, one that allows him to keenly observe and comment on cultures and peoples with a modicum of exposure, and he also thinks that he is going native, eschewing contact with other Americans and tourists, or at least eyeing them with distrust while assuming that there is something superior to his presence.
Olivia: I think that is a pretty good list of characteristics. Why the name Esteban?
Steve: oh, I could go on. The name is actually yet another trait of a classic Esteban. He is the type that never introduces himself by his American name, rather choosing the local translation instead. It’s not, Hi, I’m Stephen. Oh no … it is hola, yo soy Esteban, ich bin Stefan, il mio nome è Stefano or mon nom est Etienne. In other words, a total douchebag.
Olivia: Ha. I may have met an Esteban or two. Do you think you have ever been an Esteban?
Steve: I am sure you have, more likely dozens. We all have and you probably could name a few right now, but it is important also to remember, we all have a little Esteban in us. I know I do, and I have to remember to keep my inner Esteban in check, while embracing the things that makes living abroad and travel so wonderful.

i don’t actually know what inner part of himself steve was embracing in this photo.
Olivia: Excellent segue into my next question. Do you miss the US and do you want to go back?
Steve: I definitely do and I see myself getting back one of these days. A friend of mine Roger told me that I need to avoid becoming one of those old single guys who just ends up living abroad and starts to kind of well, go Esteban one might say. Right now I am on an extended assignment and will have the option to return in a year or two, and we will see what I feel like then. I took this job back in the day because I knew this would be an opportunity and then when it arose, and I was 27, I just started to think, well, it is not going to get any easier. It meant leaving family, friends who are hitting the lifetime milestone age, and that is hard sometimes to realize. But at the same time, your life moves on no matter what, and I feel grateful I have the opportunity and chance to grow and experience perhaps a somewhat different perspective than I might have had otherwise.
Olivia: A different perspective is one of those benefits I guess.
Steve: One of those things that is both incredible and frustrating about learning a language and at least from my perspective, learning a culture like I have here. You end up straddling the line between being a part of what is going on and still the outsider. This is incredible in the way that it affords one a freedom to not constantly be in conformity with society and the way it is.
Olivia: Can you give me an example of that?
Steve: Well, being a token American in an office full of Germans allows you almost to be freer to be yourself, hey I wear jeans, but that’s because he’s the American. In a country like this where a majority of people will wait for the crosswalk light to change at three am when there is nothing for miles, it makes things easier. But at the same time, you are still an outsider, with that outsider perspective. Maybe that does not completely make sense in an interview like this, but it is something I think about and consider a lot here. It can be psychologically stressful and there are often times when frankly I am Germaned out. But hey, I am going on vacation in a week, so what can you say.
Olivia: Where to?
Steve: five leg journey for three weeks, FRA – JFK – BUE – SCL – WAS – FRA, Frankfurt, NYC, Buenos Aires, Santiago, Washington and Frankfurt, should be awesome. Jen Bohnson might even join me on a leg or two.

i love this photo, cos it totally captures what happens when steve and ben, i mean, jen, get together.
Olivia: So finally, what will you miss about Germany?
Steve: of course the next question. The bread, the cheese, the trains, the Bauhaus tradition in furniture and the way they design their windows here (really, that would be one of the first things I would bring back to the states, the windows are incredible), the Christmas markets, Berlin (even though I haven’t been in years now, too much nostalgia), the news here, the beer and the ability to actually drink it in a park or in public, Altkönigstrasse, the main tower, the people I work with including the greatest secretary on earth and the sensation that you get almost every day that you have figured out how to live in a foreign country. After tangling with bureaucracy here, getting things like cable installed, finding an apartment, dealing with banks, 19% VAT, television tax and a language that has taken ages to master, I feel like I have accomplished something. Maybe it’s stupid, but well, it’s the simple pleasures in life.
Olivia: We have the television tax in Britain too, and it’s ridiculous considering I only get four channels. Now onto the important stuff - what is yr secret power?
Steve: Well I am blessed with a special insight, one that allows me to keenly observe and comment on cultures and peoples with a modicum of exposure, but unfortunately I can’t grow a goatee. For real though, indefatigability. I have no idea if that’s a word, but it works in light of your first question. Oh, and I can also sleep in strange positions in airports.
Olivia: Ha. do you sleep in jimjams? what kind?
Steve: um no. no jimjams, not since the footie pjs when I was a kid and well, they never designed those zippers right.
Olivia: what is yr #1 favorite food?
Steve: super easy, quiche lorraine! My mom makes the greatest, though I haven’t eaten it in years.
Olivia: what is yr top restaurant recommendation in yr town (or close by). what’s the best thing on the menu?
Steve: well Frankfurt is not known for constant culinary delights, but tops expensive – Knoblauch, a French place three streets away that does a Seeteufel mit Speckmantel! Um yea, Monkfish with Bacon Jacket! Seriously, who says no to that – a bacon jacket! Only a communist. I wish I had a bacon jacket. But cheap, that would be döner from köylü. Finest döner in Frankfurt. I challenge you to find me a tastier one in this cosmopolitan international banking center.

so when you go to frankfurt, look for this place. steve will most likely be siting right there.
Olivia: Yumm, I want a bacon jacket. Tell me about yr top area of expertise.
Steve: Then I don’t have to call you a communist. Expertise would be the pre Tunnel of Love albums of Bruce Springsteen. Ok, I know, a bit out of touch. But look, my dad is from Jersey and I sometimes call people a ‘class act’ when I am scolding them.
Olivia: Scolding, huh? what was yr favorite item of clothing as a child?
Steve: anything ocean pacific or Zubaz! Actually we got the knock-off Zubaz because the real ones were too expensive, much like real girbaud jeans and hypercolor t-shirts. I hope people know what Zubaz are because it might have been a Minnesota thing, now I feel the need to link them - http://www.zubaz.com/ - imagine the target knock-offs. The ladies in seventh grade loved Zubaz!
Olivia: I’ll have to check those out. what was yr favorite toy as a child? (the moody bonus question)
Steve: g.i. joes and castle greyskull.
Olivia: what do you plan on doing when you’re 80?
Steve: I have yet to plan Buenos Aires yet, give me some time.
Olivia: if you could assemble yr own ocean’s 11, who would you pick and why?
Steve: my brothers, the more benhams the better, winston because I will surely need a doctor before it’s done, Josh because there are never enough lawyers and well, maybe some germans? no, no germans, I’d rather go with five people.
Olivia: what is yr best karaoke song?
Steve: as you know because you have seen me do it - it is born to run - which I might add, I sang last Friday in a terrible bar. I went down, found it, picked it out, took it to the mildly retarded dj who was running the most popular karaoke bar in town and he gave me a quizzical look and said he didn’t know what that was. It was at that point I was afraid the art has passed me by.
Olivia: I was drunk that night so don’t remember “Born to Run” specifically.
Steve: That’s why it sounded so awesome.

steve, born to play the tambourine at a karaoke bar.
Olivia: I will take your word - do people ever tell you that you look like someone famous? who?
Steve: actually, no.
Olivia: tell me something scandalous!
Steve: [REDACTED FOR SECURITY REASONS]
Olivia: That will be censored.
Steve: Censorship! On poshdeluxe and being interviewed by such an intrepid journalist?! The infringement of our basic rights has finally entered the blogosphere, long thought to be the last refuge of freedom of speech, and by proxy true democracy. But yet it crumbles even here, as the forces of totalitarianism creep across the internet, choking out even the last gasp of the marketplace of ideas. The American public weeps today.
Olivia: I think you are turning into your father.
Steve: hmm, maybe I am.
yay! this interview was wonderful, which comes as no surprise, since it was the work of two wonderful people. many thanks to steve, who is awesome, and olivia, who is also awesome.
LINKS
i’ve been meaning to link to this all week– make sure you check out the latest masterpiece from joss whedon, dr. horrible. i could describe it but… joss made it. that’s all you need to know.
whoah, check out this totally badass grandma who fought off two robbers with a broom!
little emily is now equipped with the best “so, when i was a kid, i got to meet the president…” story, ever.
just in case you needed more evidence that slash’s mom is the coolest lady ever, here you go.








































looks like these beautiful butterflies bought hats that were definitely NOT mistakes (sorry, YGM reference).












